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Doc Hooked Me

Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2003 2:16 pm
by Skepti Que
Doc said:
" I am aware of the argumentation against these passages refering to a global flood, so in support of the global flood conclusion I would again point to the Covenant of the Rainbow."
Actually I am not aware of the arguments. I just took his bait. Being the great trout fisherman he is he is good at presenting bait.
So Doc, Why don't you give us the short version of the arguments you mention and the short refutation?
SQ

Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2003 6:57 pm
by Dr. John Nay
:D Those that hold to the Flood of Genesis being a local flood argue that the passages referring to it are hyperbolical (exaggerated for emphasis sake). We read in Genesis 7:19,

?They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered.? (NIV)

They argue that the ?earth? here is just a portion of earth. Albert Barnes (proliferous Presbyterian writer whose writings are on the shelves of most ministers today) says this about this verse: ?The land is to be understood of the portion of the earth?s surface known to man. This, with an unknown margin beyond it, was covered with the waters. But this is all that Scripture warrants us to assert. Concerning the distant parts of Europe, the continents of Africa America, or Australia, we can say nothing....Not a hill was above water within the horizon of the spectator or of man....?

In refutation of this view I continue to point to the Covenant of the Rainbow as well as the ?natural? reading of the following passages:

Genesis 7:18-23 (It?s almost as though God goes out of His way to make the point that this is not a local flood)

Peter speaks of the Flood as literal and global in that only "a few people, eight in all, were saved through water," (1 Peter 3:20)

Jesus speaks of the Flood as destroying all but Noah and
compares it to His Return (Matt 24:37-39 & Lk 17:26-27)

God speaks of the Flood as literal and global (Isaiah 54:9)

The writer of Hebrews speaks of the Flood as literal and
global (Hebrews 11:7)

In addition:
If the Flood were a local flood, why build an Ark, why not just move?
A local flood over a solar year in duration?!

I don?t remember saying anything about my being a trout fisherman.

rising waters

Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2003 10:32 am
by xot
my favorite argument against the flood being local is that if it were only a local flood, God is breaking His promise every time there is a local flood.

Gen 9:11 "And I establish my covenant with you; and all flesh shall never again be cut off by the water of the flood, neither shall there again be a flood to destroy the earth."